Isn't the Cubs stadium for sale? Maybe a Japanese company can buy it and rename it Fukudome - that would totally rock.
Oh, my, I am going to wade into this. Ethnic comedy is a minefield. If you're going to walk into that minefield, you should go in with your eyes wide open. The first thing you should know is that your intention is largely meaningless. You could intend to satirize racists, but even if you do it with expert precision, there is still going to be some group of folks who don't get the joke. This is because communication requires both a transmitter and a receiver. If the receiver isn't on the same wavelength as the transmitter, the message isn't going to arrive properly. So, the first lesson is that somebody is going to accuse you of being racist eventually if you do any sort of ethnic humor. The second thing you should know is that your actual ethnicity is largely meaningless. Yes, there is a world of difference between a bunch of white racists telling black jokes and Chris Rock telling black jokes, but to some of those same white racists, Chris Rock telling those jokes is a justification for them telling those jokes. Larry the Cable Guy is used as justification for making redneck jokes. The "its ok because I'm making fun of my own ethnicity" argument is all well and good, but somebody is still going to use your act as "proof" that their beliefs about people of your ethnicity are justified. So, the second lesson is that somebody is going to use you to justify their own racism if you do ethnic humor about your own ethnicity. The third thing you need to know about ethnic humor is that your intention is frequently going to be interpreted based on who laughs at your jokes. In the case of this t-shirt, it matters not that the unseen creator of the shirt was Asian. What matters is that the people purchasing it were probably buying it at least in part because they were amused by the racist joke. So, the third lesson is that your work will be judged by who is in your audience. Finally, the fourth thing you need to know about ethnic humor is that well meaning people who are not especially racist will see you make an ethnic joke about your own ethnicity and will think that it is all right for them to make that joke, too. Some dude who has no issues with Asians but who has low social skills will see a t-shirt like that and think "wow, I guess it is ok to make that joke" and then, in an inebriated state, will repeat the joke and get his ass kicked. The joke I've read about this is something like "I call my wife the booty monster but I will kill you if I hear you call her that." Anyhow, my point is that social interaction is complex and, to some extent, your making an ethnic joke (even successfully) will probably result in some moron who found it funny repeating it in the wrong context and getting in trouble for it. So, I suppose, the fourth lesson is that some people will use you as a role model and get in trouble. Anyhow, there are some other points, too, but my main thesis is that you take a big risk when you choose to delve into ethnic humor of any sort, be it about other ethnicities or your own. If you're going to do so, you should be aware that the outcome is not always going to be what you intended. There are stupid people in the world and, while you shouldn't be blamed for their actions, you should know that they will likely blame you for their actions and blame you loudly.
Just a question... Did Harry Caray say "Holy Cow!" too (That is what the letters on that shirt attempt to spell, right?) ... I always associate that with the Scooter. Must be my East Coast bias. ;-)
why does this suprise anybody That the hometown fans are making a mockery of one of their own players with an insulting t-shirt? That to me is very surprising considering that Fukudome has been a stand up guy from day 1. Just a question... Did Harry Caray say "Holy Cow!" too I was wondering the same thing. I thought that it was Harry Carey's rendition of 'Take me out to the ballgame' as to what made him endearing to the Cubs. I always thought that 'Holy Cow' was a Phil Rizzuto catchphrase.
Just a question... Did Harry Caray say "Holy Cow!" too Caray actually started using the phrase prior to Rizzuto. That being said, I think the shirt is stupid anyways. With all the Japanese players currently in U.S. major league baseball, do Cubs fans really have to act like Fukudome is some majorly different thing?
brandy: the entire human race comes from a history of slavery, violence, apartheid Name me one white American who was hauled off to a US government internment camp because of his or her ancestry, and for no other reason. Name me one white American who was denied the right to vote, and threatened with violent death for trying to assert that right, simply because of his or her race. Yes, racism can be directed at any race. That doesn't make it all the same, it doesn't make it all equal. More importantly, it doesn't make racist incidents somehow cancel each other out, as your statement above seems to suggest. The fact that somewhere, sometime, white people were enslaved, in at least a few cases by darker-skinned people, doesn't cancel out the racist acts of whites in America today -- or in American history. You may know some story that a friend of your sister told you about some black person saying a racist remark to her, but that doesn't mean it would be okay for you to wear one of those execrable t-shirts. As for that so-common complaint of white Americans that we shouldn't have to pay the price for the mistakes of whites in the past...well, guess what, that's how the "history of slavery, violence, apartheid" works. That's how all history works. The current generation reaps what previous generations sowed, for good or for ill. You may inherit the fruits of years of hard work and struggle, leaving you with a prosperous and peaceful society founded on a tradition of true equality...or you may get stuck with a lot of broken furniture and a big drink tab. If so, no, it's not "fair", but who you gonna bitch to? The ones who did it are dead. Best pick up a broom and start sweeping up the mess, because the only way it gets any better is if you make it better.
I'd like to see the same level of passionate outrage at the official racist images of the Indians, the Braves, and the Redskins.
I'd like to see the same level of passionate outrage at the official racist images of the Indians, the Braves, and the Redskins. I'll second that! Can't believe it's taken this many posts before someone actually contextualized this in relation to that much longer-standing, and yet unresolved issue.
I'd like to see the same level of passionate outrage at the official racist images of the Indians, the Braves, and the Redskins. If any of the above-mentioned teams' logos (or any, for that matter) were made to look like Harry Caray, I believe severe steps would have to be taken to get them changed. Seriously, though, with regards to logos featuring Native American subject matter, I've always felt those of the Indians, Braves, and Redskins were actually compliments. They were meant to be symbols of toughness, competitiveness, and something for fans to adore. They in no way were meant to be jokes, like the Fukodome shirt is. If the Cleveland Indians, way back when, decided to name their franchise as a slap in the face to a race of people, then I would definitely feel differently. On the contrary, they named the team something they felt fans and opponents would respect.
On the contrary, they named the team something they felt fans and opponents would respect. Wait... are you talking about Chief Wahoo? He looks like a symbol of toughness amd competitiveness to you? To me he looks like an exaggeration of a variety of physical traits of Native Americans. A caricature, if you will. For example, no Native American that I know of has skin that is actually red like that, but see since they're sometimes referred to as "red skins" it is amusing for folks inclined to caricature them to color the skin that bright red - just like it is amusing to color the skin of an Asian character bright yellow. I don't think most Native Americans see these names and symbols as a tribute. The intention of the gesture is not nearly as important as how the gesture is perceived. Surely if you built a statue on your lawn in tribute to your neighbor and it offended them you would think "since my intention was to honor them and they are offended, leaving this statue in my lawn will undermine my original intention" and then you would take the statue down. Anyhow, I've already linked the best solution to the Wahoo problem.
I've always felt those of the Indians, Braves, and Redskins were actually compliments And I have heard this defenseless defense many times. Perhaps at one time a white man thought that was how native Americans should be complimented, but the Nations (that is tribes to you) have clearly and repeatedly stated that they find these references offensive. "Redskins" is as offensive to Native Americans as the n word is to blacks. Actually, there is little for me to add to Joey Michaels comments, except to say thank you for that thoughtful reply.
Joey Michaels........ you aint ever lied...... at least in your comment... being italian mixed with irish and native american I STRONGLY agree with the last comment from irunfromclones although i have experienced and witnessed racism from and toward all races... if you think about it like this... we are all humans (a type of mammal) and I have NEVER seen another animal (besides humans) discrimnate, as a matter of fact my lite brown pitbull has a huge crush (AKA tries to get it on with) the black poodle across the street..... So in lite of the topic at hand ... they should stop making the damn tee shirt.. and if people still want to wear them well they can face the critical comments....
lil brown bat..... I believe you should do a little more research on your topic... and this story with my son actually happened... and in case you dont know women werent allowed to vote (even white women) until suffrage... in case you dont know ... maybe you should research current events in Ireland with the IRA... AND i'm not cancelling out racism... trust me it is something that bothers me... but you seem to be defending it as long as its not toward someone with color... DO SOME RESEARCH and get back to me when you have something useful to say
lil brown bat ....... ABE LINCOLN .... in case you didnt know was white and died for a great cause as did many of my ancestors who fought in that war... so F you and i dont owe u anything ... sweep that mess up
I'll second that! Can't believe it's taken this many posts before someone actually contextualized this in relation to that much longer-standing, and yet unresolved issue. The mascot convo's actually taken place on SpoFi a number of times, and the outrage over the Indians', Braves' and Redskins' mascots is there. If there doesn't seem to be a lot of outrage, it probably is because those aren't new issues, while this "horry cow" crap is. Probably some of it has to do with the choice of target, too -- on the one hand you have a caricature directed at a popular, albeit new, player; on the other hand you have caricatures directed at a group. It's a little less personal, and it's probably a case of whose ox is being gored. I suspect if someone made a stupid Indian caricature directed at Jacoby Ellsbury, you'd see a similar reaction to the Fukudome caricature. But I don't think you'd be stretching to say that the presence of other racist caricatures makes it seem to a not-very-deep thinker that it's acceptable behavior (ref. Joey Michaels).
brandy, hi and welcome to Spofi. Please take a peek at our guidelines, specifically, "No personal attacks. A good comment is respectful of members and their opinions. Address the argument, not the person making it."
yerfatma... I apologize and thank you .... I am very passionate about this issue...
brandy: lil brown bat..... I believe you should do a little more research on your topic... and this story with my son actually happened... and in case you dont know women werent allowed to vote (even white women) until suffrage... in case you dont know ... maybe you should research current events in Ireland with the IRA... AND i'm not cancelling out racism... trust me it is something that bothers me... but you seem to be defending it as long as its not toward someone with color... DO SOME RESEARCH and get back to me when you have something useful to say Do some research on what? What on earth is your point? lil brown bat ....... ABE LINCOLN .... in case you didnt know was white and died for a great cause as did many of my ancestors who fought in that war... so F you and i dont owe u anything ... sweep that mess up Well, since you're a fan of research and history in general, no doubt you know that the military draft first occurred in the Civil War, and a great many of the whites who "died for a great cause" in that war had no choice about being there. Now, your ancestors may have all been volunteers, and they may have been there for the sole purpose of fighting for emancipation -- which would certainly have made them quite exceptional -- but I'm afraid I don't feel that that confers any special merit on you. Nor do I feel that the descendant of a white slaveholder who fought for the Confederacy for the sole purpose of preserving slavery is blameworthy. We inherit neither the merit nor the blame of those who came before us -- only the consequences of their actions. That's a distinction that some find too subtle, but it seems pretty plain to me.
I am very passionate about this issue... Which issue is that? It's obviously not the topic of the thread.
I understand.... however I also have Italian & Native American ancestors... but I have white skin... so I guess thats all that matters right? is the actual color of my skin... well hmmmm my sister is married to a black man they have 3 kids 2 are dark skinned and 1 is white with blue eyes ( yes we are sure they are all the same father ) but as long as his skin is white he should have to "pay" for what happened in history
BoKnows... Th issue is that it does not matter if its on a tee shirt or coming out of someones mouth ... its wrong... it also doesnt matter WHO is being discriminated against... its wrong
Fukudome doesn't find racist T-shirts in Wrigleyville funny ...........and neither do I
You know what's wrong? KFC Chicken Bowls. What. The Fuck. That shit is just... wrong. I would suggest that this isn't akin to the injustice that is the Native American debate. This is ethnic humor that is, well, just really fucking bad. As far as I'm concerned, the thing that is most notable about "horry cow" is people honestly, just don't seem to consider it within it's context - neither the horrible unwashed masses who don't see the 'big deal' in something so horribly mocking and unoriginal (and frankly - not funny enough), nor those suggesting it's another feather in the cap of American ignorance and arrogance. Bad t-shirt. Add it to the list.
WeedyMcSmokey ( great name by the way ) im a huge advocate for legalization... anyhow back on the subject..... I freakin LOVE KFC chicken bowls... I have created my own recipe and make them at home for my husband and our 3 boys.... they (except the baby) love them too ..... BUT i do agree it's a bad t-shirt... GET rid of it.... or hold onto one (it may be worth money someday) that is what really fuels earth isnt it?
brandy, You have told us about your son, his friend, your baby, salvery, apartheid (since the start of time-your words), the civil war, your pitbull, the civil war again, then you gave an FU to lbb, now we're hearing about your sister's family. Now, you're gonna tie it all together using the title of the article. You're giving a lot of credit to an idiotic T-shirt vendor from Chicago.
hmmm I obviously have made you read EVERY post I've written.. and its all true... maybe some people cant handle it because I'm not a scarred little white girl agreeing that my family should suffer due to historic events... ISNT RACISM the topic? duh...
OOOOOOH maybe racism is just wrong at wrigley field....
I read every post, please don't think that I'm glued to the monitor waiting for yours. ISNT RACISM the topic? Yep. The racism that Cub fans are showing to their star Japanese player that they just spent $48 million on. Not your life story coupled with an American History lesson.
Sorry, that was rude of me. I just think that the idiot selling the shirts is getting to much credit for his actions. Yeah, it's offensive, but it's been handled by the Cubs organization. I'll say it again.... The image feeds not only ugly, arrogant and ignorant Japanese stereotypes, but also the stereotype of the obnoxious, profane, drunken, booing, garbage-throwing Cubs fan. ...and walk away.
ok Bo .... im the only one who has personal feelings toward this topic... its ALL good... aren't personal experiences what makes a discussion interesting and debatable? otherwise it wouldnt be a discussion , it would be an article... since I'm a New Yorker and a Yankees fan maybe i shouldnt even care (but I do) .. I dont want to see any person feeling bad ... especially due to ignorance ... (even if the Cubs only paid 4 million or got him on a loan for that matter)
Weedy, you want to know what's really wrong? People who don't use complete sentences. You know, people who do this ........... instead of completing a thought, and starting a sentence, with, like, you know, a capital letter at the beginning of the first word in the sentence and a period at the end of a statement or expression of thought. Oh, and brand new members telling long time respected members our our community to F you is really really wrong.
hey tommy ........ u wanna have a spelling & grammar contest.. or an IQ test??? i am more than sure i'd win .............. and Bo... would you let him know the topic of this discussion is the t-shirt?
KFC Chicken Bowls. What. The Fuck. That shit is just... wrong. Failure pile in a sadness bowl.
You know what's wrong? KFC Chicken Bowls. What. The Fuck. That shit is just... wrong. Weedy, have you tried the one with brown gravy? It makes no sense to me why it is so good, but damn is it good. I would never imagine that combination of crap would be so good, but combined it just comes together. This topic seems to belong in this thread as much as other topics being discussed.
i invented the KFC chicken bowl during the Civil War when my son was staying with my sister's family.... i was making lunch for my baby and arguing about apartheid..... I got so angry I dropped the corn, chicken, mashed potatoes, and gravy on the floor..... I had to scoop it into a bowl seconds before the pit bull got it..... and as i sat there on the floor feeding the pit bull and the baby, I couldn't help but wonder if that racist Cubs t-shirt had prolonged the Civil War and slavery.... oh, and FU lbb.....
goddam: Failure pile in a sadness bowl. That was great. Thank you, goddam. hawkguy: Weedy, have you tried the one with brown gravy? It makes no sense to me why it is so good, but damn is it good. I would never imagine that combination of crap would be so good, but combined it just comes together. Well, it ain't my thing (the closest I've ever come to this kind of experience is poutine, and I only did it to be able to say I'd done it, and I only got three bites into it and just had to stop), but you can't deny the appeal. KFC didn't invent it either -- they just have the most successful current mass-marketed version. Before they jumped on the bandwagon, though, there was the garbage plate at Nick Tahou's in Rochester, New York. I never had that pleasure, either, but my brother was a second-shifter at the airport and told me stories of the late night crowd at Nick Tahou's. One night a wino got a garbage plate, ate about half, and then vomited the first half of the garbage plate plus probably a quart of cheap wine onto the second half of the garbage plate...then sat there looking at it, fork still in hand. I keep that story in the back of my mind to prevent me from even thinking about going there with any goddamn KFC version of the garbage plate. oh, and FU, clones...no Famous Bowl for you!
u sound like a bunch of scarred little white boys trying to be liked and accepted.... I really pity you... maybe someday all of your work will pay off and you'll be loved by all skin colors and eye shapes... You're not hurting anyone but yourselves with your ignorance. I joined this site because Im a sports fan, got into a discussion that is interesting and tried to share life experience. I dont argue the fact that some groups of people have it harder but I dont accept racism in any form. Apparently people on this site are ok with racism as long as its toward people who have white skin. Scarred ass white folks... thats why other skin colors have so much to say to people who are too scarred to defend themselves.... (and that came from my best friend.. whose skin is not white) weakness .... gotta love it!
Scarred ass white folks... I've got an interesting scar on my right knee that was caused by a really mean black fly...none on my ass though. Anyone want to take bets on being called "race traitors" within the next half dozen comments?
seriously?
u sound like a bunch of scarred little white boys trying to be liked and accepted Shit, I know I've heard that one before. On this site none the less.
Maybe if some people actually spent more time associating with people of different backgrounds and ethnicities they would not fear them. I don't discriminate against any person. End of story. Is my spelling and grammar correct? I hope so because I don't want my view to be judged by that. If it is........... OH WELL The t-shirt is in bad taste. If there is a God, I have to believe that we are all created equal. I am the one who, like some others who have posted, would say "Hey, that's real F'd up." No matter what, handicapped,fat,different racially, whatever it is I dont think you should make someone feel bad by maliously making fun of them.
And for those who have paid attention to my posts from the beginning..My sons friend who made that comment the other day has aplogized and I truly believe he understands why I was hurt by it. He apologized the next day and has been over severals times since. Foregiveness. I can't make time rewind. All I can do is live right. I guess it's too much to expect the same from others because 1/12 of my genetic make up could have been racist white people in america.
Brandy, you're ruining your reputation as a fine girl.
u sound like a bunch of scarred little white boys trying to be liked and accepted I take great offense to this. I am 5'10" and weigh 220 lbs. of brick shit house. I think girthy would be a much better description than little.
My 15 yr old is 6'1" at 235 lbs, he's still my "little" baby... and always will be.
Fraze, that is my second favorite comment on SpoFi ever. Second only to Crafty's diatribe in the locker room from a few years back.
Brandy, you're ruining your reputation as a fine girl. Yeah, but can you imagine what a good wife she would be?
WTF is going on around here?
WTF is going on around here? It's in reference to this.
seriously? What, the black fly? Yeah, it's a true story. Alcohol and a whitewater kayak were also involved, as was Adolph's meat tenderizer (not in that order), so I guess it's not entirely a black fly scar, but a black fly started it.
WTF is going on around here? If you don't know, you're about to have your mind blown: Looking Glass, Brandy, You're a Fine Girl. the garbage plate at Nick Tahou's in Rochester, New York . . . stories of the late night crowd at Nick Tahou's Nick's is no longer open all-night, which is a goddamn shame since most of my best memories from college happened there. Jimmy the Greek, the counterman who kept a shotgun under the counter. Jimmy chasing my friend out the door for stealing the saltMayor Curley and I leaving there around 5 am and being accosted by an ancient prostitute with a cup of coffee in her hand. She climbed into the car we had borrowed from a friend who'd passed out and immediately spilt her coffee when we tried to remove her. She refused to leave when I said we were gay, responding, "Let's see you kiss him." Semi-back on topic, Nick's was always a reminder about the health of racism in America as the two seating sections were clearly assigned. You can say it was locals in one and college kids in the other, but it looked pretty black and white to me. I'm still trying to re-create the home fries.
Good lord! I leave for a few days and things fall apart. Ok, I'll be the race traitor. I am a white boy from a tiny little crappy town in Southern Indiana. this town is so white, that when the high school basketball team in the town next to ours got a black player, it made the front page of the news paper. the fact is that racism exists in all forms, and against all ethnicities, religions, sexual orientations, and frankly some groups that have nothing to do with any of those things. you can justify anything (in your own mind) by saying "he does it why can't I?" My 6 year old does that all the time. You can be offended that other people are offended. You can react in a hundred different ways to racism, and a thousand ways to the reactions of others. In the end though, the only reaction that does any good is a combination of education and forgiveness. They people who like these shirts don't want to hear your point, but if you approach with forgiveness instead of hostility, you might reach the person standing within ear shot, and hadn't considered the racist point of the shirt. Ultimately, the offenders, and their descendants can't fix the racial divide in this country. I have made this point on other posts: forgiveness is in the hands of the offended. No price I could ever pay, would make up for the dehumanizing treatment that black (and Chinese and Irish) people have received in our country's history. No price I could ever pay would give the land and the dignity back to the Native Americans. Even if retributions were paid, No amount would be enough, because you cant quantify the value of human suffering or dignity. So we are left with the option for me and the enlightened members of my race to say that what our ancestors did was reprehensible. I am not ashamed of my race, but i am ashamed of any ancestors who might have participated in slavery, or the bigotry that has followed. I am ashamed of any advantage or preferential treatment that I might have received as a result of my race. And all that is left is to ask, on behalf of my race, that those who were wronged by my ancestors to forgive the insurmountable debt that falls from our fathers to us. Of course this to, is a failed effort, because no group of people thinks with one mind. But if one by one, white people accept the complicity of their ancestors and acknowledge the debt that falls to them, and if one by one all who were oppressed are willing to put aside their justified grievances, maybe as a generation, we can take the next step toward racial harmony. I really didn't mean to go off on a diatribe about race. so to pull us back on topic: Cubs suck anyway, go Cards!!!
It's in reference to this. Nice, dyams. Good stuff. If you don't know, you're about to have your mind blown: Looking Glass, Brandy, You're a Fine Girl. I actually have that record. Picked up some sweet samples from that song.
Wow, Nick Tahou's deserves a spot on Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives from the Food Network. It sounds awesome! I could dig a garbage plate this morning.
Just to throw a little crap into the game... The prevailing sentiment among Union soldiers during the Civil War was that the Union must be restored. In the main, they were not particularly big on freedom for blacks. As it turned out, restoring the Union meant an end to slavery; there could have been no other possible outcome. As for racism and bigotry in the rest of the world, ask Fukudome-san about the treatment of Koreans in Japan today, or particularly the treatment of Koreans in Korea by the Japanese prior to World War 2. It's something that most Japanese do not talk about. Yerfatma, it sounds like you have lived a dissolute and degenerate life. I minored in alcohol consumption while in college. Welcome to the club.
Howard, they now call it Alcohology. I have a Ph.D.
Jimmy chasing my friend out the door for stealing the salt We always went to the more tame Lyell Ave. Tahou's since it was closer. We routinely stockpiled our supply of Frank's Red Hot from there. I'm glad we didn't try it on our few treks to the downtown location. I'm still trying to re-create the home fries. Good luck with that. I'd love to be able to make the hot sauce, but something tells me that whatever is in that stuff is better left unspoken.
Good lord! I leave for a few days and things fall apart I agree with you 100%. Thank you. However I'm in NY and things are different here, as you can imagine. AND HowardT also has some really good points, it's not just America and Americans, it's the world.... I for one dont have too many ancestors that were actually in America (well my mom is 1/2 native american. My grandparents on my fathers side came from Italy. So if your ancestors were here and slave owners and you want to take the blame go ahead. I am not. The point Ive been trying to make is that just because my skin is white, it is assumed that my family were slave owners. They werent... By the way I am sooo sure the people in your Indiana town arent complaining that Freddy Keiaho is playing for the Colts.... PS there is no such thing a reverse racism... racism is racism...
I'd love to be able to make the hot sauce, but something tells me that whatever is in that stuff is better left unspoken. Word. I've never seen anything that looked quite like it before or since. Maybe if you took grape Nerds and left them out in the sun (which would obviously require you to leave Rochester to find some sun).
I know I talk tooo much(or type what ever) but I want to say one more thing.... I have always been a huge fan of Bernard Hopkins since he was a jail fighter. I could not believe when on National TV he said "I'll never get beat by a white person" I am still just pissed about that. If Calzaghe would have said that he would never let a black guy beat him.... OH MY all hell would have broke loose. Just like if my son was at his friends house and said that black babies creep him out (which I know he never would) I would have been on the news. It goes both ways. It's wrong no matter what. AND I KNOW IM A FINE GIRL.... thats been my name for over 30 years (I've heard a million times)
Brandy, I'm not taking the blame. I didn't do it. I am accepting the fact that it was people of my race who committed the sins of slavery. By the way, slavery wasn't the only sin committed against minorities. They have been denied the right to vote. They have been discriminated against for everything from jobs and promotions to seats in a restaurant, and that didn't end with the civil war. Some of those wrongs have happened in the time its taken me to type this, so don't think that because your family wasn't on the mayflower that your family is exempt from some of the blame. Maybe your family has fought for civil rights all the way to the roots of your family tree, but there aren't many who can say that. And accepting responsibility is not the same as accepting blame. Fighting the realities of our nations history isn't going to change it. It will only spread the gap between the sides.
I have always been a huge fan of Bernard Hopkins since he was a jail fighter. Who televises that?
I couldnt agree more. I guess the way Im saying things isnt coming out right. It makes me cringe to think of the treatment people have received in the past and present. Putting all people with white skin in one race doesnt make sense to me though. I have been accused of being a racist in the past but only by white people saying i was racist against white people. Coincidently by my white neighbors from Indiana because they only see black people coming to my home. I actually tend to get along better with black people. I feel awful about what they have gone through. I think since my children are getting older and Im seeing things like I've referred to in earlier posts that I don't want my children to feel guilty either.. Remember empathy and sympathy are different. I never taught them racism and it doesnt have a place in my home.
Who televises that? It was on several stations including HBO..
I can tell you anything about Bernard Hopkins since he was a jail fighter.. its true... I have always thought his style of fighting was extraordinary, and still do. I love the fact that he came from crime and made something of himself. It takes great intelligence to be a great fighter like him. But the comment was not right. So I am glad Joe Calzaghe won.
Im a real sports fan and always have been ... I dont just pay attention to what I see in the paper.. I actually do research anything that interests me.. Maybe you should too.
FYI ... just to let you know exactly how accepting I am.... I (a yankees fans) have been to Fenway several times to cheer for Boston..... One year we came early and they let my son run the bases...
